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        • LPS Conservatorship for Dependent Parents and Minors
      • WHY ARE LPS CONSERVATORSHIP AND PROBATE CONSERVATORSHIPS DIFFERENT
      • Court of Appeals >
        • In re Ben C- Wende Brief no issue writ
      • Trial Court Transcript
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      • INITIAL INVOLUNTARY PROCEEDINGS >
        • Grave Disability >
          • Present Grave Disability
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        • When the Conservatee Goes AWOL
        • Involuntary Commitment
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        • Riese Hearing >
          • Riese Hearing
        • Supplemental Security Income/ SSI >
          • Applying for SSI
          • Documents for SSI
          • Process and Appeal
          • Award Letter
          • Rep Payee
          • SSI Amounts 2018/2019
  • LPS Conservatorship Case Law
    • THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE COURT OF APPEALS
    • Conservatorship of Isaac O- court report omission and jurisdiction
    • Disparate Treatment- Conservatorship of E.B
    • Conservatorship of KW- hearsay and jury instructions
    • Peremptory Challenges and Conservatorship of Gordon
    • Conservatorship of Sorenson privacy rights and LPS matters
    • Imposition of special disabilities- Conservatorship of Walker
    • Continuing Jurisdiction/Jury Instruction and Conservatorship of McKeown
    • Hearsay and conservatorship of Manton
    • Conservatorship of the Person of S.A.
    • Writ of Habeas Corpus burden of proof
    • Conservatorship of Roulet- burden of proof
    • Special disabilities and due process- Conservatorship of K.G and Donna H.
    • Conservatorship of Davis and Third party assistance
    • Marsden hearings/ due process Conservatorship of David
    • Conservatorship of Torres and admissibility
    • Jury Instruction and Conservatorship of Law
    • Conservatorship of George H- jury instruction
    • Public Conservator's Exclusive Power to Initiate LPS Conservatorship Kaplan v. Superior Court
    • Constitutionality of LPS conservatorship- Conservatorship of Delay
    • Investigation report- Conservatorship of Ivey
    • Conservatorship of Jesse G
    • Grave Disability Standard and Jury trial notice Conservatorship of Benvenuto
    • Conservatorship of Kennebrew vs Conservatorship of Karriker
    • Jury Trial Delays - Conservatorship of Joanne R.
    • Conservatorship of Hofferber- criminal incompetence and LPS
    • "Discretionary abuse" Conservatorship of G.H.
    • In re Elizabeth R- LPS Conserved Parent with a concurrent dependency case
    • Conservatorship of C.O. - Waiver of Jury Trial
    • Conservatorship of Smith and strange behaviour
    • Jury Trials- ​Conservatorship of Jose B
    • Conservatorship of Baber and Double jeopardy and third party evidence >
      • WIP- Conservatorship of Tedesco
      • Conservatorship of Symington (1989)
      • Effective Counsel
      • Faretta and Marsden
      • Exceptions: Third Party Evidence
      • Exclusionary Rule WIP
      • Fifth Amendment Rights
  • LIFETIME PROHIBITOR WELF & INST CODE § 8103 SUBD. (F)(1)(B) 18 U.S.C. § 922 (G) (4)
    • CA MHRS >
      • Armed and Prohibited Person System
    • National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)
    • Registration
  • For LPS Conservatees
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    • JUDICIAL REVIEW >
      • WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS
    • NOTICE
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    • RIGHT TO COUNSEL
  • BUILDING A STRONG CASE FOR CONSERVATORSHIP
    • POWERS OF CONSERVATOR >
      • Placement Powers
      • Medication powers
    • WHY ONLY THE PUBLIC CONSERVATOR IS ALLOWED TO FILE FOR LPS CONSERVATORSHIP
    • SERVING AS CONSERVATOR
    • DSM V DIAGNOSIS LIMITS
    • CONSERVATEE INTERVIEW
    • HISTORY OF DECOMPENSATION AND LACK OF INSIGHT
    • WRAPPING IT ALL TOGETHER AND CREATING THE NEXUS BETWEEN SYMPTOMS, HISTORY, COMPLIANCE, THIRD PARTY ASSISTANCE TO PROOF OF CURRENT GRAVE DISABILITY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT
  • JUVENILE DEPENDENCY
    • FAST TRACK DEPENDENCY
    • DEPENDENCY APPEALS
    • DETENTION
    • JURISDICTION DISPOSITION (JURIS/DISPO)
    • §366.26 Hearing: Selection and Implementation
    • 730 Evaluators
    • Case Plan
  • New Updates
    • Right to Choose

4/17/2019

cert hearings

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Having a hearing in front of a judicial officer vs a judge

​During the first hearing for a 14 day hold the patient will first present their case in front of a judicial officer in what is known as a a cert review hearing. These hearings are not as formal as a writ of habeas corpus hearing which is heard in front of a judge. Many patients facing these hearings have no idea wha will happen or what they mean. As a patient it is important to know what will happen with the two hearings. For the cert review hearing, you will present your case in front a judicial officer. The nurse, doctor, patient rights advocate will all be present. The hearing officer will place a recorder on the table to record the proceedings. The proceedings are considered informal but they are still documented and recorded. The hearing officer will make a note of the kind of proceedings will transpire and announce all of the parties present.. After all of the formalities are completed the doctor will be the first to present evidence. He or she may refer to the most recent hospitalization record, diagnosis, past history, and compliance. The nursing staff may propound additional evidence. that they have in notes. Then it is your turn to present what you believe to be your present condition. You can produce evidence that demonstrates medication compliance, evidence that shows you are not a danger to self/others or gravely disabled, and have a viable care plan. You can also cite evidence of taking care of your ADLs and proper care habits. All of these weigh toward making the officer see you as a capable patient who does not need to be involuntarily hospitalized. Be aware that these kinds of hearings are hard to win since the burden of proof is quite low being clear and convincing evidence. Usually you will have to present good cause for release which includes that you are not a danger to self or others, will be compliant with treatment in the future, have shelter and provisions should you be discharged that day, and potentially the diagnosis is incorrect. The latter is quite hard to disprove as the court will favour the doctor over patient testimony since the doctor is considered an expert witness. At the end the hearing officer will make a decision and place it into writing. This hearing is quite informal so don't expect too much pomp and circumstance. It may take around 10-15 minutes. I have only seen one person win a writ of habeas corpus hearing. Should the officer find that there is reasonable cause for detention, you will be held for the rest of the 14 day hold. For a writ of habeas corpus hearing there are more formal procedures set forth. To begin this will be the first time the patient will present their case in front of .an actual judge. The patient will receive paperwork with a hearing date. They will be assigned counsel to represent them unless they choose to represent themselves. On the day of their hearing it will be a bit similar to a cert review hearing. The judge will hear the doctor's testimony and then hear the patient's testimony through their counsel. Like the hearing officer the judge will enter a judgement be it continue the hold or grant the petition. Once the judge makes an order, it entered into the record and the patient will return to the hospital to continue their hold or be released. The mental health record shall be made confidential and sealed to the public. There is a minute order for the patient to view at a later date. Be aware that these hearings are informal and very difficult to win. However, it is also important that patients know what they face. Too often patients are told they have an upcoming hearing and nothing more. The patient then faces a judge or officer without knowing what they are looking for and struggle to present a coherent case.



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4/8/2019

Working with clients

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It is important as counsel or case worker to learn how to talk to mentally ill or what some would call"crazy" people. People who suffer from delusions, are manic, or overall mistrustful of speaking with social workers. Creating and maintaining that rapport with the clients will lead to discovery of valuable information and overall trust. With more trust between client and provider, the entire process is easier and faster.

To build rapport  the client must feel that they trust the social worker and that they have their best interests in mind. The social worker has to master the art of listening to the client's concerns and understanding the basis of what they say. Too often I hear clinicians say to their clients "thats crazy talk", "that doesn't make sense", or even "if you say that shit the public conservator will conserve you" [true conversation]. That doesn't seem too in line with supporting their client. The art of working with mental illness is to know how to couch saying "that is crazy" and rather drive the client to reveal to you through information only that what they perceive is a delusion.

As a investigator you should also strive to gain a clear understanding of the facts. If someone is talking about their body being stolen from them or believing people are out to get them, make an effort to find out "why" they believe that their body is being possessed. Learn the meat of their delusion. If they believe something, there must be facts behind why they believe it. Even if those facts are illogical, it at least lets you know what the person believes is the reason behind their beliefs and this is far better than a blanket statement without any facts. When probing for more, ask "When you wake up, what do you notice that makes you believe that people are stealing from your body. How much is missing? Do you feel them taking such from your body at night or do you wake up and find parts missing mysteriously?" All of these questions show the client that you care about their perspective and take an interest in how they view what happened. Rather than just immediately dismissing their claims as crazy or lies, the social worker shows the client that they have an open mind to believe the client. The client in turn may offer explanations that give light to why they believe such. It also gives the clinician a chance to explain to the court why the client's line of thought without portraying them as too crazy. With more facts in the court report, it will make the client seem a little less crazy as the client will have had a chance to explain them in a manner logical to them. In the rare case you may even find out that the client was not lying and through careful investigative questioning and work the client was telling the truth and the previous investigator had missed some facts.

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4/6/2019

cws data

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Child welfare services data      '16

As you can see the county noted its own problems of too many clients and too little staffing. Fiscally the department always needs more funding. They also strive to improve services for older youth who are in need of support services and long term planning to prevent homelessness and reentry into the system. The department also seeks to increase the quality of partnership between foster parents and agency workers. This link proves to valuable as caregivers often report feeling left out or not as supported as the parents or children when they are the ones providing most of the in home care for the child. Another note is that the salary of the average social worker is around 70K per year which has lead to many workers protesting below average salaries given the amount of work they perform. .
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4/2/2019

caseworkers

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When I first meet with a parent, they are often at the lowest point in their lives. Most were trying hard to be good parents before they met us. The message our arrival sends is that they have failed. They are often angry, sad, lonely and disoriented.
During that first meeting, I worry about many things. What if I can’t connect to this parent? Are they going to cry? Can I make this any easier for them? Is it fair to expect them to take in all the information I am sharing during such a terrible time? What if they are angry? -Rise

Child welfare care workers have a very bad rap in the community as they are seen as people who steal children for profit and can snatch kids whenever. The truth is that most case workers out there are good and mean well for the families they serve. The families often see the case worker as an adversarial figure because they themselves are in such a vulnerable position where they may have just lost their children and are now in the early stages of their case. They may be resistant and believe that they do not need to change. Even though parents may resist changing or working with the agency, it is critical that the parents and the agency work together to ensure that the children are safely returned home. It is the case workers job too to ensure that the parents understand and work their services. It may take some extra work to gain their trust but with patience and understanding it can be done.

When first meeting their case worker parents may be rude and noncompliant. Many parents have cited that they believe that whatever they do they will still lose their children so why even try. The parents may refuse services or not meet with their case worker out of anger and resentment. And even though they may believe that their caseworker is against them, at the end of the day their rights may be terminated if they do not comply with services. The parent may also believe that the services are inappropriate so "why should I do them"? As a case plan manager you should also strive to be goal oriented and respectful. Remind the parents of why they need to do their services and that they are doing it for their children. Make sure that the parents first and foremost understand the objectives and services asked of them. Encourage and praise the parents if they do something right and keep them motivated with their services. If the parent falls off track, don't scold them or call them noncompliant. Calling them noncompliant or resistant may build up more resentment and resistance. Rather, you should review with them what went wrong and how to best address it next time. What changes can be made? How can the agency help the parent with their struggles? It is the parent's job in the end to avail themselves of the services in the case plan but it is also the case workers job to make it easy and accessible to the parents.

It is the case worker's job to ensure that they provide the parents with assistance and have a good bedside manner. For you providers out there I know that it can be very hard working with some of the parents but patience and trying to understand their situation will go a long way. Make attainable goals using the SMART model. They will be far easier for the parent to complete. When goal planning also discuss with the parent to see if they have any conflict. They may have some trouble completing a goal but have a hard time telling you or feel too scared to let you know why they cannot complete the goal. Most importantly let the parent know that you are on their side and that you and them have the same goal of reuniting their family. The caseworker may have all of the power in the eyes of the law, but with power comes responsibility. The case worker should strive to share the power with the parent. Work with the parent not against. Work together as a team to return the child home safely and the amount of conflict will be greatly reduced.

I also know I wield power over my clients’ lives. To me, this is painful. My goal is to help families, but because the system has taken away their control, I often feel like I am doing the exact opposite. My ultimate goal is return power to them and bring humanity and respect into a relationship that is, unfortunately, lopsided.


The first way I try to do this is by being as respectful and supportive as I can no matter how parents are reacting. This can be done over something very small. It can happen through eye contact, through recognizing that you and the client have something in common, or by doing something as simple as thanking the client for coming in that day. -Rise



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  • LPS CONSERVATORSHIPS FOR THE GRAVELY DISABLED
    • LPS Conservatorship Court Overview >
      • Public Conservator >
        • Los Angeles Public Guardian
        • CONSERVATORSHIP INVESTIGATION REPORT
        • CAREER >
          • Continuing Education
          • Public Conservator County Numbers '16
          • San Diego Public Conservator '19
        • LPS Conservatorship for Dependent Parents and Minors
      • WHY ARE LPS CONSERVATORSHIP AND PROBATE CONSERVATORSHIPS DIFFERENT
      • Court of Appeals >
        • In re Ben C- Wende Brief no issue writ
      • Trial Court Transcript
      • Conservatorship Legal Documents
      • INITIAL INVOLUNTARY PROCEEDINGS >
        • Grave Disability >
          • Present Grave Disability
        • Venue
        • Conservator's Bond
        • When the Conservatee Goes AWOL
        • Involuntary Commitment
        • Conservatorship Factors
        • Riese Hearing >
          • Riese Hearing
        • Supplemental Security Income/ SSI >
          • Applying for SSI
          • Documents for SSI
          • Process and Appeal
          • Award Letter
          • Rep Payee
          • SSI Amounts 2018/2019
  • LPS Conservatorship Case Law
    • THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE COURT OF APPEALS
    • Conservatorship of Isaac O- court report omission and jurisdiction
    • Disparate Treatment- Conservatorship of E.B
    • Conservatorship of KW- hearsay and jury instructions
    • Peremptory Challenges and Conservatorship of Gordon
    • Conservatorship of Sorenson privacy rights and LPS matters
    • Imposition of special disabilities- Conservatorship of Walker
    • Continuing Jurisdiction/Jury Instruction and Conservatorship of McKeown
    • Hearsay and conservatorship of Manton
    • Conservatorship of the Person of S.A.
    • Writ of Habeas Corpus burden of proof
    • Conservatorship of Roulet- burden of proof
    • Special disabilities and due process- Conservatorship of K.G and Donna H.
    • Conservatorship of Davis and Third party assistance
    • Marsden hearings/ due process Conservatorship of David
    • Conservatorship of Torres and admissibility
    • Jury Instruction and Conservatorship of Law
    • Conservatorship of George H- jury instruction
    • Public Conservator's Exclusive Power to Initiate LPS Conservatorship Kaplan v. Superior Court
    • Constitutionality of LPS conservatorship- Conservatorship of Delay
    • Investigation report- Conservatorship of Ivey
    • Conservatorship of Jesse G
    • Grave Disability Standard and Jury trial notice Conservatorship of Benvenuto
    • Conservatorship of Kennebrew vs Conservatorship of Karriker
    • Jury Trial Delays - Conservatorship of Joanne R.
    • Conservatorship of Hofferber- criminal incompetence and LPS
    • "Discretionary abuse" Conservatorship of G.H.
    • In re Elizabeth R- LPS Conserved Parent with a concurrent dependency case
    • Conservatorship of C.O. - Waiver of Jury Trial
    • Conservatorship of Smith and strange behaviour
    • Jury Trials- ​Conservatorship of Jose B
    • Conservatorship of Baber and Double jeopardy and third party evidence >
      • WIP- Conservatorship of Tedesco
      • Conservatorship of Symington (1989)
      • Effective Counsel
      • Faretta and Marsden
      • Exceptions: Third Party Evidence
      • Exclusionary Rule WIP
      • Fifth Amendment Rights
  • LIFETIME PROHIBITOR WELF & INST CODE § 8103 SUBD. (F)(1)(B) 18 U.S.C. § 922 (G) (4)
    • CA MHRS >
      • Armed and Prohibited Person System
    • National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)
    • Registration
  • For LPS Conservatees
    • RIGHT TO APPEAR IN COURT
    • JUDICIAL REVIEW >
      • WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS
    • NOTICE
    • MEDICATION
    • PLAN OF CARE IF DISCHARGED
    • RIGHT TO COUNSEL
  • BUILDING A STRONG CASE FOR CONSERVATORSHIP
    • POWERS OF CONSERVATOR >
      • Placement Powers
      • Medication powers
    • WHY ONLY THE PUBLIC CONSERVATOR IS ALLOWED TO FILE FOR LPS CONSERVATORSHIP
    • SERVING AS CONSERVATOR
    • DSM V DIAGNOSIS LIMITS
    • CONSERVATEE INTERVIEW
    • HISTORY OF DECOMPENSATION AND LACK OF INSIGHT
    • WRAPPING IT ALL TOGETHER AND CREATING THE NEXUS BETWEEN SYMPTOMS, HISTORY, COMPLIANCE, THIRD PARTY ASSISTANCE TO PROOF OF CURRENT GRAVE DISABILITY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT
  • JUVENILE DEPENDENCY
    • FAST TRACK DEPENDENCY
    • DEPENDENCY APPEALS
    • DETENTION
    • JURISDICTION DISPOSITION (JURIS/DISPO)
    • §366.26 Hearing: Selection and Implementation
    • 730 Evaluators
    • Case Plan
  • New Updates
    • Right to Choose